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Post by Figgles on Jan 28, 2021 5:56:36 GMT
The seeing that I am a something that catalyzes a process of creation, is NOT Truth. It's a delusion. Yes. It's highly surprise that you are correct this time. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 28, 2021 6:07:06 GMT
Time is an illusion. The 'clear decision' that experientially appears 'before' the desired manifestion, is not actually causal to the manifestation. The clear decision and the manifestation are correlates only. Remember; The story is ultimately, One-singular, seamless happening.
When you see through time....you also see through "process" and in that, ideas about LOA, also get seen for what they are. What you see is not your hand! What appears....what is believed, does not have a someone/something behind it. You are positing the seeing and the beliefs of a someone, as creative catalysts to stuff that follows. Beliefs are correlated with appearing conditions, but not causal to them. It's only mind that tries to pin down causation in this way.
It's all just happening.
Beliefs...seeing....sensing....there is no 'some-thing' that is doing any of that. Time is an illusion...separation/causation too...there is no belief in this moment that actually 'causes' a manifestation in another moment. It's all one, singular, undivided movement.
Looking to the content of experience to try to figure out how/why you experience what you do, is misconceived.
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Post by Gopal on Jan 28, 2021 22:33:37 GMT
I am saying dream is being created you are saying dream is not being created. So I consider that you haven't realized yet. You consider I haven't realized yet. So I don't have any way other than wait for you to see the truth.The seeing that I am a something that catalyzes a process of creation, is NOT Truth. It's a delusion. You are not making a decision. Decisions are being made. |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 28, 2021 22:38:01 GMT
Your decision impacts the unfolding universe in a different way. Just try to observe when you make a clear decision in your life. It will tell you the truth as to how beautiful creator you are! Time is an illusion. The 'clear decision' that experientially appears 'before' the desired manifestion, is not actually causal to the manifestation. The clear decision and the manifestation are correlates only. Remember; The story is ultimately, One-singular, seamless happening.
When you see through time....you also see through "process" and in that, ideas about LOA, also get seen for what they are. You are the sole creator of the reality , you make decisions and it's unfolding. I am talking about real truthful decision, not a fake one just for the sake of analysing. If you decide to move from place A to B, then things will start to unfold automatically to reach B. You can observe this when you make a decision. You are not making it, ultimately you are experiencing the decision. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 28, 2021 22:52:59 GMT
The seeing that I am a something that catalyzes a process of creation, is NOT Truth. It's a delusion. You are not making a decision. Decisions are being made. Agreed. A 'decider' who makes decisions is as ill conceived as 'a creator' who creates stuff. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 28, 2021 22:56:29 GMT
Time is an illusion. The 'clear decision' that experientially appears 'before' the desired manifestion, is not actually causal to the manifestation. The clear decision and the manifestation are correlates only. Remember; The story is ultimately, One-singular, seamless happening.
When you see through time....you also see through "process" and in that, ideas about LOA, also get seen for what they are. You are the sole creator of the reality , you make decisions and it's unfolding. I am talking about real truthful decision, not a fake one just for the sake of analysing. If you decide to move from place A to B, then things will start to unfold automatically to reach B. You can observe this when you make a decision. You are not making it, ultimately you are experiencing the decision. I'm not grasping what you're saying here. I don't understand what you mean by a 'real truthful decision' vs. a 'fake one.'
And, just as there is no one actually making a decision, there is also no one/thing 'experiencing' the decision. Experience appears to no one. The experiencer is itself a facet of experience. An empty appearance only.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 28, 2021 23:53:52 GMT
Gopal, here is a good Spira quote that speaks to the issue of experiencer/experience;
“In other words, in reality, there are not two things—one, the screen and two, the document or image. There is just the screen. Two things (or a multiplicity and diversity of things) only come into apparent existence when their true reality—the screen—is overlooked. Experience is like that. All we know is experience but there is no independent ‘we’ or ‘I’ that knows experience. There is just experience or experiencing. And experiencing is not inherently divided into one part that experiences and another part that is experienced.”
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Post by Gopal on Jan 29, 2021 15:17:52 GMT
You are not making a decision. Decisions are being made. Agreed. A 'decider' who makes decisions is as ill conceived as 'a creator' who creates stuff. Creator creates the decision or imagines the decision. Creator is not an illusion because Intelligence forms thought/perception. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 29, 2021 17:35:44 GMT
Agreed. A 'decider' who makes decisions is as ill conceived as 'a creator' who creates stuff. Creator creates the decision or imagines the decision. Creator is not an illusion because Intelligence forms thought/perception. Intelligence is a pointer only. There is no 'thing' called intelligence that "does" the forming of thought/perception. You continue to invoke 'a process' of creation, where in actuality, there is no process. In your imagining of a process, you also invoke "a creator" who is behind that process. There is no creator, there is no creative process.
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Post by Gopal on Jan 30, 2021 3:51:53 GMT
Creator creates the decision or imagines the decision. Creator is not an illusion because Intelligence forms thought/perception. Intelligence is a pointer only. There is no 'thing' called intelligence that "does" the forming of thought/perception. You continue to invoke 'a process' of creation, where in actuality, there is no process. In your imagining of a process, you also invoke "a creator" who is behind that process. There is no creator, there is no creative process.
will you believe if enigma says the same?
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Post by Gopal on Jan 30, 2021 3:52:45 GMT
You are the sole creator of the reality , you make decisions and it's unfolding. I am talking about real truthful decision, not a fake one just for the sake of analysing. If you decide to move from place A to B, then things will start to unfold automatically to reach B. You can observe this when you make a decision. You are not making it, ultimately you are experiencing the decision. I'm not grasping what you're saying here. I don't understand what you mean by a 'real truthful decision' vs. a 'fake one.'
And, just as there is no one actually making a decision, there is also no one/thing 'experiencing' the decision. Experience appears to no one. The experiencer is itself a facet of experience. An empty appearance only.
Nonsense! |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 30, 2021 3:53:53 GMT
Creator creates the decision or imagines the decision. Creator is not an illusion because Intelligence forms thought/perception. Intelligence is a pointer only. There is no 'thing' called intelligence that "does" the forming of thought/perception. You continue to invoke 'a process' of creation, where in actuality, there is no process. In your imagining of a process, you also invoke "a creator" who is behind that process. There is no creator, there is no creative process.
Will you believe If enigma says the same?
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Post by Gopal on Jan 30, 2021 3:55:33 GMT
You believe what you see, you create what you believe. What you see is not your hand! What appears....what is believed, does not have a someone/something behind it. You are positing the seeing and the beliefs of a someone, as creative catalysts to stuff that follows. Beliefs are correlated with appearing conditions, but not causal to them. It's only mind that tries to pin down causation in this way.
It's all just happening.
Beliefs...seeing....sensing....there is no 'some-thing' that is doing any of that. Time is an illusion...separation/causation too...there is no belief in this moment that actually 'causes' a manifestation in another moment. It's all one, singular, undivided movement.
Looking to the content of experience to try to figure out how/why you experience what you do, is misconceived.
It looks like you are living in the fantasy world.
You are the one who is perceiving, right? Who is this YOU?
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Post by Gopal on Jan 30, 2021 3:57:35 GMT
Gopal, here is a good Spira quote that speaks to the issue of experiencer/experience; “In other words, in reality, there are not two things—one, the screen and two, the document or image. There is just the screen. Two things (or a multiplicity and diversity of things) only come into apparent existence when their true reality—the screen—is overlooked. Experience is like that. All we know is experience but there is no independent ‘we’ or ‘I’ that knows experience. There is just experience or experiencing. And experiencing is not inherently divided into one part that experiences and another part that is experienced.”Yes, perceiver is the attached part of moving perception. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 30, 2021 4:06:11 GMT
Intelligence is a pointer only. There is no 'thing' called intelligence that "does" the forming of thought/perception. You continue to invoke 'a process' of creation, where in actuality, there is no process. In your imagining of a process, you also invoke "a creator" who is behind that process. There is no creator, there is no creative process.
will you believe if enigma says the same?
He's not speaking of "intelligence" there as though it is a thing that "does" the forming....as you seem to be. Even though he uses the term 'forms,' I've talked to E long enough to know he's not talking about a conceptual something nor a process.
I'm pretty sure, he'd agree with what I'm saying above.
Just because you both use the same word does not mean you are both using it in the same way....indicating the same thing.
E uses the term 'intelligence' as a pointer, whereas, it seems as though you have conceptualized it as a something that does stuff...that engages in a process.
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