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Post by Enigma on Jan 21, 2021 23:26:55 GMT
Cynicism gets one nowhere. It's a dead end. Why even say it? The point E made was that in being cynical regarding ventilators for Covid, folks were surviving it instead of dying. I'd call that 'getting somewhere' and anything but 'a dead end.' It's the ventilators that are the gateway to the 'dead end.' Did you know that's how many die in the US from smoking tobacco? Funny that there's no mad rush to ban tobacco, hey? But really, that number for Covid deaths is inflated by God knows how much. There's all sorts of evidence that death 'with' Covid was conflated with death 'by' Covid....even a story of a motorcyle crash where they tried to pin the death as "Covid." But even if it was that high, the total population of the US is 331 million...400,00 deaths, the average being age 82, deserves consideration for sure, but does it really warrant shutting down the entire country...the teen suicide rate....the rash of deaths and suffering that the lockdown has caused? I know you are aware, but for Rowan: Excess deaths compared to the norm is actually a reliable indicator of any sort of unusual killer (covid) as it's generally very consistent. Many have found little or no excess deaths. Incidentally, we already have a proven cure for the flu: Covid. In some places, as the covid deaths rise, the flu deaths fall. I'm remembering one in Africa, I think, where the flu was virtually eradicated last year.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 23:34:34 GMT
The point E made was that in being cynical regarding ventilators for Covid, folks were surviving it instead of dying. I'd call that 'getting somewhere' and anything but 'a dead end.' It's the ventilators that are the gateway to the 'dead end.' Did you know that's how many die in the US from smoking tobacco? Funny that there's no mad rush to ban tobacco, hey? But really, that number for Covid deaths is inflated by God knows how much. There's all sorts of evidence that death 'with' Covid was conflated with death 'by' Covid....even a story of a motorcyle crash where they tried to pin the death as "Covid." But even if it was that high, the total population of the US is 331 million...400,00 deaths, the average being age 82, deserves consideration for sure, but does it really warrant shutting down the entire country...the teen suicide rate....the rash of deaths and suffering that the lockdown has caused? I know you are aware, but for Rowan: Excess deaths compared to the norm is actually a reliable indicator of any sort of unusual killer (covid) as it's generally very consistent. Many have found little or no excess deaths. Incidentally, we already have a proven cure for the flu: Covid. In some places, as the covid deaths rise, the flu deaths fall. I'm remembering one in Africa, I think, where the flu was virtually eradicated last year. Yet, you're saying covid is just the flu. Make shit up much? |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 21, 2021 23:40:06 GMT
What does "serious" actually mean though? flus/viruses have always circulated that had the potential to leave lingering effects and even end life. The real question is; Is Covid serious enough a threat to humanity that it warrants shutting down the entire world and all the other imposed measures which leads to other kinds of death and suffering, starvation, poverty and health issues, the world over? 4.4 million people in the US are seriously harmed in traffic accidents yearly, thus, we could say that driving poses "serious" risks. Using the line of reasoning we're using with Covid, that should mean, we put a stop to driving. Tobacco smoking still kills 400,000 a year, and yet, it hasn't been outlawed. Flu related psychosis is nothing new: epmonthly.com/article/neuropsych-complications-flu-virus/ Again, This is nothing new. Same applies to flu/influenza and just as with Covid, it is a relatively low population of those who get it that this applies to. Before you start spreading fear-mongering stories like this, you'd do well to do a quick google search. The real question you should be asking is why is MSM putting these stories out and not telling folks that these have always been rare, but well documented flu/influenza related risks? Again, nothing new: BS. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 23:46:33 GMT
I've totally missed your point? You've yet to make a point. Are you still a smoker? I gave it up for another's well-being is the point. I don a mask when out for the same reason. The point of my mentioning that 400,00 people in the US die of tobacco smoking every year is to draw a parallel with Covid; If prevention of so called 'unnecessary death' is the overriding goal, why hadn't tobacco been outlawed? My point is that there are glaring hypocrisies such as this one that are rife in 'the fight against Covid.' Are you willing to look to any resource other than mainstream media? If not, why? How can you know for certain that those sources are bogus until you take a really close look? www.dailysignal.com/2020/09/29/covid-19-linked-to-rising-suicide-rates-among-teens/
"The COVID-19 shutdowns have created a category of unlikely victims of collateral damage in teenagers. Inasmuch as 8 out of 10 COVID-19-related deaths are among people aged 65 or older, few would have expected teens to suffer disproportionately from the coronavirus, but increased rates of anxiety and depression among America’s youth signal a palpable threat from suicide. Survey data on mental health compiled by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention depict a worrisome new trend among young adults since the onset of the nationwide lockdowns. Between March and June, suicide risk rose sharply for Americans across the board—perhaps not surprisingly, given the economic impact of the pandemic on American livelihoods." Why? Because I'm challenging your views?  I'm calm. How about you? I'm quite calm, thank you. What have you done about teen suicide? I mean, anyone can post a link. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 21, 2021 23:49:14 GMT
The point of my mentioning that 400,00 people in the US die of tobacco smoking every year is to draw a parallel with Covid; If prevention of so called 'unnecessary death' is the overriding goal, why hadn't tobacco been outlawed? My point is that there are glaring hypocrisies such as this one that are rife in 'the fight against Covid.' Are you willing to look to any resource other than mainstream media? If not, why? How can you know for certain that those sources are bogus until you take a really close look? www.dailysignal.com/2020/09/29/covid-19-linked-to-rising-suicide-rates-among-teens/
"The COVID-19 shutdowns have created a category of unlikely victims of collateral damage in teenagers. Inasmuch as 8 out of 10 COVID-19-related deaths are among people aged 65 or older, few would have expected teens to suffer disproportionately from the coronavirus, but increased rates of anxiety and depression among America’s youth signal a palpable threat from suicide. Survey data on mental health compiled by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention depict a worrisome new trend among young adults since the onset of the nationwide lockdowns. Between March and June, suicide risk rose sharply for Americans across the board—perhaps not surprisingly, given the economic impact of the pandemic on American livelihoods." Why? Because I'm challenging your views? I'm calm. How about you? I'm quite calm, thank you. What have you done about teen suicide? I mean, anyone can post a link. Whenever and wherever I can, I am advocating for the end of lockdowns....for freedom.....for life as we used to know it. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 21, 2021 23:57:55 GMT
It is indeed! And have you noticed, it's those of us on the side of ending lockdowns and advocating for personal freedoms that are engaging in that consideration...the ones that are FOR lockdowns and the trampling of personal freedoms, are not looking any deeper than the surface of things. I find usually when I try to get someone to look deeper, to consider their most fundamental values and how they align with their stance on this thing, they just refuse to go there....and they get really mad. I think they know if they did the delving, their stance wouldn't hold up...and lord knows how much humans hate seeing that! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 0:00:40 GMT
I'm quite calm, thank you. What have you done about teen suicide? I mean, anyone can post a link. Whenever and wherever I can, I am advocating for the end of lockdowns....for freedom.....for life as we used to know it. So, you're all for kids going to school with the flu, and not being tested for covid. or not wearing masks? Right? Is anyone listening to you? I know I'm not. I'm just curious if anyone else is. |
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Post by Enigma on Jan 22, 2021 0:01:49 GMT
I know you are aware, but for Rowan: Excess deaths compared to the norm is actually a reliable indicator of any sort of unusual killer (covid) as it's generally very consistent. Many have found little or no excess deaths. Incidentally, we already have a proven cure for the flu: Covid. In some places, as the covid deaths rise, the flu deaths fall. I'm remembering one in Africa, I think, where the flu was virtually eradicated last year. Yet, you're saying covid is just the flu. Make shit up much? That's not what I said. I'm saying flu deaths are being counted as covid deaths. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 0:10:57 GMT
Cynicism gets one nowhere. It's a dead end. Why even say it? 400,000 deaths is pretty serious where I come from. I mean question what you see and hear, like that stuff about all the hospitals being full and 400,000 deaths. You're having trouble believing you're being lied to. Best get used to it. I know I'm questioning what you and figs are posting. Fauci spoke at a press conference in D.C. today. Did you watch it? He's much more knowledgeable than you and figs are. I'm guessing it's because he has experience with pandemics, vaccines, and the roles they play. I'm sure if you look, you can find it on the 'net. It beats the hell out of the vids you two are posting. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 0:12:32 GMT
Yet, you're saying covid is just the flu. Make shit up much? That's not what I said. I'm saying flu deaths are being counted as covid deaths. You were there when they counted them up? |
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Post by Enigma on Jan 22, 2021 0:14:22 GMT
I used to smoke. Haven't done so since 1991. Pat's mom came to live with us that year. She was 85 at the time. After much thought about that, especially her age, I gave it up. Personal choice. She lived to be 102. You totally missed my point. Do you feel compelled at all to look into that? I find it very, very strange that not being fully sure about that, you're in favor of mandates. Why are you willing to shrug off suicides related to Covid lockdowns but not death due to a virus? The suicides are happening because lockdowns, social distancing, masking up our faces so we cannot see expressions, is unnatural. Humans are social animals. Why are you okay with taking strong measures to prevent death from a virus in mostly elderly and sick people but not interested in addressing the issue of teens offing themselves due to lockdown? It is precisely the lack of conscious awareness regarding mind content that you are demonstrating here that I find so frustrating with this whole thing. It's as though basic common sense has just flown out the window for half the population. 
These Photos Show the Staggering Food Bank Lines Across America
  But at least they will have something to read when Rowan gets there. Like Rowan, I'm not seriously affected by the new rules either, but my heart is hurt for those who's lives have been destroyed, or ended, for no good reason. Any sort of rebellion must come from compassion instead of self concern, from love instead of fear. Love is how creation moves. That's why it's so powerful. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 0:18:29 GMT
You totally missed my point. Do you feel compelled at all to look into that? I find it very, very strange that not being fully sure about that, you're in favor of mandates. Why are you willing to shrug off suicides related to Covid lockdowns but not death due to a virus? The suicides are happening because lockdowns, social distancing, masking up our faces so we cannot see expressions, is unnatural. Humans are social animals. Why are you okay with taking strong measures to prevent death from a virus in mostly elderly and sick people but not interested in addressing the issue of teens offing themselves due to lockdown? It is precisely the lack of conscious awareness regarding mind content that you are demonstrating here that I find so frustrating with this whole thing. It's as though basic common sense has just flown out the window for half the population.
These Photos Show the Staggering Food Bank Lines Across America
But at least they will have something to read when Rowan gets there. Like Rowan, I'm not seriously affected by the new rules either, but my heart is hurt for those who's lives have been destroyed, or ended, for no good reason. Any sort of rebellion must come from compassion instead of self concern, from love instead of fear. Love is how creation moves. That's why it's so powerful. And that's why I wear a mask when I'm out and about. I don't understand why neither one of you are getting that. Oh well, just another day in paradise. |
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Post by Enigma on Jan 22, 2021 0:55:31 GMT
You totally missed my point. Do you feel compelled at all to look into that? I find it very, very strange that not being fully sure about that, you're in favor of mandates. Why are you willing to shrug off suicides related to Covid lockdowns but not death due to a virus? The suicides are happening because lockdowns, social distancing, masking up our faces so we cannot see expressions, is unnatural. Humans are social animals. Why are you okay with taking strong measures to prevent death from a virus in mostly elderly and sick people but not interested in addressing the issue of teens offing themselves due to lockdown? It is precisely the lack of conscious awareness regarding mind content that you are demonstrating here that I find so frustrating with this whole thing. It's as though basic common sense has just flown out the window for half the population. These Photos Show the Staggering Food Bank Lines Across America
I've totally missed your point? You've yet to make a point. Are you still a smoker? I gave it up for another's well-being is the point. I don a mask when out for the same reason. Do I feel compelled to look into that? Of course. Am I going use resources like The Blaze in Texas, to do that? Of course not. You said- "Why are you willing to shrug off suicides related to Covid lockdowns but not death due to a virus? The suicides are happening because lockdowns, social distancing, masking up our faces so we cannot see expressions, is unnatural. Humans are social animals. Why are you okay with taking strong measures to prevent death from a virus in mostly elderly and sick people but not interested in addressing the issue of teens offing themselves due to lockdown? It is precisely the lack of conscious awareness regarding mind content that you are demonstrating here that I find so frustrating with this whole thing. It's as though basic common sense has just flown out the window for half the population.That's quite an indictment. In my experience, the eyes have it in a masked conversation. Teen suicides? Isn't that a family issue? Immature parenting? We've stepped in numerous times with the mothers and fathers when they were raising the grandchildren. Good lord... who the fuck do you think you are?Yes, we've seen the food lines where we live, especially around the holidays. We responded. We've actually been responding since '08, when we learned schoolchildren were going to bed hungry, and still are. Maybe it's time for you to take a break on the computer? There's enough ugliness in the world. Why add to it? |
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Post by Enigma on Jan 22, 2021 1:08:08 GMT
Tell that to a small business owner who is losing their business...losing their home because they were forced to lockdown....tell that to the mother who just lost her teen to suicide because of lockdown isolation. What number would you say is 'way too many' when it comes to Covid/lockdown related suicide? You've fallen right in line with the idea that Covid deaths are of greater importance than other kinds of death...have you taken any time to ponder why? Being conscious, living consciously, means being aware of mind's content....examining the ideas that most strongly inform behavior. Can you explain why it is that to you, Covid deaths are more important and should be given greater consideration than deaths caused by lockdowns? Yes, that's clear. But why is the question. What has you so convinced that there is a pandemic in play for which the mandated measures are necessary? Do you get all your info from mainstream media? Do you ever investigate/read further into things...do you ever search for medical studies...Covid data to weigh that against what media is saying? 400,000 deaths figs. If that isn't resonating with you, maybe it's time to recalibrate your mind. What we're trying to tell you is that that number may be meaningless. In that case it wouldn't 'resonate' so well. I haven't checked the numbers since last spring because there is so much manipulation. |
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Post by Enigma on Jan 22, 2021 1:11:59 GMT
Masks don't work, but I comply with my customer's wishes. Well, they're not an end-all be-all solution, for sure. If someone comes up with a better solution, I'll consider it. I couldn't help but notice the Trumper's at the course started wearing masks after the round when we totaled up scores and had a beer in mid-summer. We had a couple of doctors in the group that wore them. Lawyers, too. It must of had an impact on the rest of us. A better solution to a made up problem? Stop believing it's a problem. |
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I'm calm. How about you? 