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Post by Gopal on Feb 15, 2021 8:47:25 GMT
Feeling better is actually the problem. Feeling better, per se, itself isn't. "Trying" to feel better, is indicative that you already think there is a problem....but problems are always in the eye of the beholder. That's what I mean. I should have been more clearer. yes. Trying to taking action towards any direction is the problematic one!
I don't deny it that suffering is in inner, If inner feels ok to whatever happens outside, then that's fine. But I would say that If you have such mindset, then outer would reflect your inner condition. You still have not felt so close to the movement yet. It's so close to what's happening in your inner.
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Post by muttley on Feb 15, 2021 16:50:39 GMT
Yes because I understand it to be a bit of a trap now. Always trying to feel better but not the end of suffering once and for all. New-age imagery overload alert!
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Post by muttley on Feb 15, 2021 16:56:04 GMT
Sorry to be a buzzkill, but, expectations like that are like smoke that clouds a room. Yep realise that.
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Post by Figgles on Feb 15, 2021 19:27:21 GMT
Feeling better, per se, itself isn't. "Trying" to feel better, is indicative that you already think there is a problem....but problems are always in the eye of the beholder. That's what I mean. I should have been more clearer. yes. Trying to taking action towards any direction is the problematic one! That's quite different from what I am saying; Notice, I am NOT saying that the problem itself is in 'trying to feel better.' I am saying when you are trying to feel better, it's clear that the way you currently feel is considered to be a problem. It's even closer than that! so close the distinction between what you are denoting as inner/outer, collapses completely, and it's all just 'appearances appearing'....One singular expression, no separation, no appearance 'actually causing' another appearance to appear.
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Post by Figgles on Feb 15, 2021 19:29:29 GMT
New-age imagery overload alert! I know, right!
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Post by muttley on Feb 15, 2021 19:43:29 GMT
New-age imagery overload alert! I know, right! ..
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Post by Gopal on Feb 16, 2021 6:22:22 GMT
That's what I mean. I should have been more clearer. yes. Trying to taking action towards any direction is the problematic one! That's quite different from what I am saying; Notice, I am NOT saying that the problem itself is in 'trying to feel better.' I am saying when you are trying to feel better, it's clear that the way you currently feel is considered to be a problem. It's even closer than that! so close the distinction between what you are denoting as inner/outer, collapses completely, and it's all just 'appearances appearing'....One singular expression, no separation, no appearance 'actually causing' another appearance to appear. I am talking about the illusion of any action which brings the result. You are right too. If one takes action, then he already believes in separation.
Appearances are not causing another appearance, that's clear, but consciousness which looks at those appearances is causing everything.
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Post by Figgles on Feb 16, 2021 17:53:25 GMT
That's quite different from what I am saying; Notice, I am NOT saying that the problem itself is in 'trying to feel better.' I am saying when you are trying to feel better, it's clear that the way you currently feel is considered to be a problem. It's even closer than that! so close the distinction between what you are denoting as inner/outer, collapses completely, and it's all just 'appearances appearing'....One singular expression, no separation, no appearance 'actually causing' another appearance to appear. I am talking about the illusion of any action which brings the result. You are right too. If one takes action, then he already believes in separation.
Appearances are not causing another appearance, that's clear, but consciousness which looks at those appearances is causing everything.
Consciousness is not a something that looks or creates in the active and conceptual sense you keep asserting.
You continue to directly attribute action to that which has no quality or attribute. Actions, such as 'looking...causing,' are appearance only...they appear within/to that which has no attribute. (consciousness)
If you simply said that consciousness is causing appearances to appear, that might be one thing, (that could be indicative of pointing vs. conceptualizing) but you go further to insist that by looking at 'what' appearances are appearing now, you can know for absolute certain specifically what will manifest in the future.
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Post by Gopal on Feb 16, 2021 18:15:17 GMT
I am talking about the illusion of any action which brings the result. You are right too. If one takes action, then he already believes in separation.
Appearances are not causing another appearance, that's clear, but consciousness which looks at those appearances is causing everything.
Consciousness is not a something that looks or creates in the active and conceptual sense you keep asserting.
You continue to directly attribute action to that which has no quality or attribute. Actions, such as 'looking...causing,' are appearance only...they appear within/to that which has no attribute. (consciousness)
If you simply said that consciousness is causing appearances to appear, that might be one thing, (that could be indicative of pointing vs. conceptualizing) but you go further to insist that by looking at 'what' appearances are appearing now, you can know for absolute certain specifically what will manifest in the future.
Its definitely not your fault to think this way since you still haven't meet the creator.
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Post by Figgles on Feb 16, 2021 23:53:05 GMT
Consciousness is not a something that looks or creates in the active and conceptual sense you keep asserting.
You continue to directly attribute action to that which has no quality or attribute. Actions, such as 'looking...causing,' are appearance only...they appear within/to that which has no attribute. (consciousness)
If you simply said that consciousness is causing appearances to appear, that might be one thing, (that could be indicative of pointing vs. conceptualizing) but you go further to insist that by looking at 'what' appearances are appearing now, you can know for absolute certain specifically what will manifest in the future.
Its definitely not your fault to think this way since you still haven't meet the creator. Not so. There was a time where I very much viewed myself to be 'a powerful creator'....but then, I saw that to be a mere idea/mind's erroneous interpretation of what was simply the correlation between intent/expectation/appearing condition.
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Post by Esponja on Feb 17, 2021 6:57:26 GMT
Its definitely not your fault to think this way since you still haven't meet the creator. Not so. There was a time where I very much viewed myself to be 'a powerful creator'....but then, I saw that to be a mere idea/mind's erroneous interpretation of what was simply the correlation between intent/expectation/appearing condition.
Am struggling to understand. I’d like to. The belief reprogramming I do works on intention. Belief+ intention+ Happy vibe=manifestation
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Post by Gopal on Feb 17, 2021 11:49:01 GMT
Not so. There was a time where I very much viewed myself to be 'a powerful creator'....but then, I saw that to be a mere idea/mind's erroneous interpretation of what was simply the correlation between intent/expectation/appearing condition.
Am struggling to understand. I’d like to. The belief reprogramming I do works on intention. Belief+ intention+ Happy vibe=manifestation It's that simple. Actually 'feeling as if it's happening' is the key point. If you hold the image in your mind as if it's real, then you have already connected with the line which is leading to that desired reality. The person whom I learned reality creation says that if he decides something in his mind, he finds that everything moves even before he applies any technique, that's the power of believing that it's going to happen.
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Post by Esponja on Feb 17, 2021 12:03:17 GMT
Am struggling to understand. I’d like to. The belief reprogramming I do works on intention. Belief+ intention+ Happy vibe=manifestation It's that simple. Actually 'feeling as if it's happening' is the key point. If you hold the image in your mind as if it's real, then you have already connected with the line which is leading to that desired reality. The person whom I learned reality creation says that if he decides something in his mind, he finds that everything moves even before he applies any technique, that's the power of believing that it's going to happen. I understand those teachings and indeed practise those but don’t understand (or can’t quite get my head around) what Figgles is saying.
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Post by Gopal on Feb 17, 2021 12:34:57 GMT
It's that simple. Actually 'feeling as if it's happening' is the key point. If you hold the image in your mind as if it's real, then you have already connected with the line which is leading to that desired reality. The person whom I learned reality creation says that if he decides something in his mind, he finds that everything moves even before he applies any technique, that's the power of believing that it's going to happen. I understand those teachings and indeed practise those but don’t understand (or can’t quite get my head around) what Figgles is saying. In my opinion, she is overthinking towards what's happening rather than simply see and accept it.
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Post by Gopal on Feb 17, 2021 12:36:08 GMT
Its definitely not your fault to think this way since you still haven't meet the creator. Not so. There was a time where I very much viewed myself to be 'a powerful creator'....but then, I saw that to be a mere idea/mind's erroneous interpretation of what was simply the correlation between intent/expectation/appearing condition.
You are creating the intention and you are manifesting that intention, where does it go wrong?
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