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Post by Gopal on Jan 5, 2021 10:29:50 GMT
It's been commonly believed that we can create our reality using LOA or reality creation technique. Some people like Figgles believed that it's not we create the reality, it's the way creation unfolds, there is no second thought here. It is definitely we are not creating the reality instead creation unfolds that way. But this doesn't mean that I can not create certain feeling in me. If I create a certain feeling in me, then it's going to manifest in the outer world. But how long our created reality is going to sustain in our reality is totally another question and deserves for another conversation. But we can change the reality by simply changing the feeling. Inner creates the outer. Feel of being somewhere or feel of doing something definitely attracts that experience to us.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 5, 2021 21:32:28 GMT
It's been commonly believed that we can create our reality using LOA or reality creation technique. Some people like Figgles believed that it's not we create the reality, it's the way creation unfolds, there is no second thought here. It is definitely we are not creating the reality instead creation unfolds that way. But this doesn't mean that I can not create certain feeling in me. If I create a certain feeling in me, then it's going to manifest in the outer world. But how long our created reality is going to sustain in our reality is totally another question and deserves for another conversation. But we can change the reality by simply changing the feeling. Inner creates the outer. Feel of being somewhere or feel of doing something definitely attracts that experience to us. The belief you have that you are "actually" "creating/causing" a positive feeling within yourself at will is misconceived.
First off, The desire to create a specific feeling is not in your hands...you didn't cause that to happen....there is no 'you' that did that or that 'controls' that.
The very desire to create a specific feeling is inextricably correlated to the manifest feeling that arises...there is no you that actually 'did/caused/catalyzed' the feeling, even though you may indeed experience it as such.
The desire to control/create a specific feeling so as to manifest a particular outcome, and the sense that there is a you who did that, who made it happen, is all just "the way reality is unfolding"...it's just the experiential story, which means, it's not Truth/actual.
Again, you make a mistake by holding to the distinction between feelings and manifestation of form....both are appearance only....both creative unfolding...creative expression....neither actual cause/catalyst to the other.
Feelings don't actually 'attract' material experience...that would mean feelings are cause/catalyst to future experience. Rather, they are mere 'correlates.'
LOA is the 'in the sequential story' view only. Once that view is transcended, the LOA explanation goes up in smoke because you see there are no actual 'causes' within the story. Nothing that appears is actually 'attracting' other stuff that appears.
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Post by Gopal on Jan 6, 2021 14:47:03 GMT
It's been commonly believed that we can create our reality using LOA or reality creation technique. Some people like Figgles believed that it's not we create the reality, it's the way creation unfolds, there is no second thought here. It is definitely we are not creating the reality instead creation unfolds that way. But this doesn't mean that I can not create certain feeling in me. If I create a certain feeling in me, then it's going to manifest in the outer world. But how long our created reality is going to sustain in our reality is totally another question and deserves for another conversation. But we can change the reality by simply changing the feeling. Inner creates the outer. Feel of being somewhere or feel of doing something definitely attracts that experience to us. The belief you have that you are "actually" "creating/causing" a positive feeling within yourself at will is misconceived.
First off, The desire to create a specific feeling is not in your hands...you didn't cause that to happen....there is no 'you' that did that or that 'controls' that.
The very desire to create a specific feeling is inextricably correlated to the manifest feeling that arises...there is no you that actually 'did/caused/catalyzed' the feeling, even though you may indeed experience it as such.
The desire to control/create a specific feeling so as to manifest a particular outcome, and the sense that there is a you who did that, who made it happen, is all just "the way reality is unfolding"...it's just the experiential story, which means, it's not Truth/actual.
Again, you make a mistake by holding to the distinction between feelings and manifestation of form....both are appearance only....both creative unfolding...creative expression....neither actual cause/catalyst to the other.
Feelings don't actually 'attract' material experience...that would mean feelings are cause/catalyst to future experience. Rather, they are mere 'correlates.'
LOA is the 'in the sequential story' view only. Once that view is transcended, the LOA explanation goes up in smoke because you see there are no actual 'causes' within the story. Nothing that appears is actually 'attracting' other stuff that appears.
Did you read this line?
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Post by Enigma on Jan 6, 2021 14:50:36 GMT
It's been commonly believed that we can create our reality using LOA or reality creation technique. Some people like Figgles believed that it's not we create the reality, it's the way creation unfolds, there is no second thought here. It is definitely we are not creating the reality instead creation unfolds that way. But this doesn't mean that I can not create certain feeling in me. If I create a certain feeling in me, then it's going to manifest in the outer world. But how long our created reality is going to sustain in our reality is totally another question and deserves for another conversation. But we can change the reality by simply changing the feeling. Inner creates the outer. Feel of being somewhere or feel of doing something definitely attracts that experience to us. The difficulty is that you're thinking linearly about a supposed process that is decidedly non-linear. You cannot use observed results to confirm cause when 'cause' is actually created so as to 'justify' 'effect'. The 'feeling' in you comes about as a result of an event that comes about in your perceived future. Perceived event... feeling created in the 'past' to justify your cause/effect story. All this trickery is possible because there honest to God is no temporal flow in actuality. Time is an illusion. It is, itself, a creation. |
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Post by Enigma on Jan 6, 2021 15:06:58 GMT
It's been commonly believed that we can create our reality using LOA or reality creation technique. Some people like Figgles believed that it's not we create the reality, it's the way creation unfolds, there is no second thought here. It is definitely we are not creating the reality instead creation unfolds that way. But this doesn't mean that I can not create certain feeling in me. If I create a certain feeling in me, then it's going to manifest in the outer world. But how long our created reality is going to sustain in our reality is totally another question and deserves for another conversation. But we can change the reality by simply changing the feeling. Inner creates the outer. Feel of being somewhere or feel of doing something definitely attracts that experience to us. The belief you have that you are "actually" "creating/causing" a positive feeling within yourself at will is misconceived.
First off, The desire to create a specific feeling is not in your hands...you didn't cause that to happen....there is no 'you' that did that or that 'controls' that.
The very desire to create a specific feeling is inextricably correlated to the manifest feeling that arises...there is no you that actually 'did/caused/catalyzed' the feeling, even though you may indeed experience it as such.
The desire to control/create a specific feeling so as to manifest a particular outcome, and the sense that there is a you who did that, who made it happen, is all just "the way reality is unfolding"...it's just the experiential story, which means, it's not Truth/actual.
Again, you make a mistake by holding to the distinction between feelings and manifestation of form....both are appearance only....both creative unfolding...creative expression....neither actual cause/catalyst to the other.
Feelings don't actually 'attract' material experience...that would mean feelings are cause/catalyst to future experience. Rather, they are mere 'correlates.'
LOA is the 'in the sequential story' view only. Once that view is transcended, the LOA explanation goes up in smoke because you see there are no actual 'causes' within the story. Nothing that appears is actually 'attracting' other stuff that appears.
Eggzackly. Cause/effect is an assemblage of thoughts in 'the mind of God' that is essentially the seeming linear progression of our lives lived in the eternal now. |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 6, 2021 16:46:49 GMT
It's been commonly believed that we can create our reality using LOA or reality creation technique. Some people like Figgles believed that it's not we create the reality, it's the way creation unfolds, there is no second thought here. It is definitely we are not creating the reality instead creation unfolds that way. But this doesn't mean that I can not create certain feeling in me. If I create a certain feeling in me, then it's going to manifest in the outer world. But how long our created reality is going to sustain in our reality is totally another question and deserves for another conversation. But we can change the reality by simply changing the feeling. Inner creates the outer. Feel of being somewhere or feel of doing something definitely attracts that experience to us. The difficulty is that you're thinking linearly about a supposed process that is decidedly non-linear. You cannot use observed results to confirm cause when 'cause' is actually created so as to 'justify' 'effect'. The 'feeling' in you comes about as a result of an event that comes about in your perceived future. Perceived event... feeling created in the 'past' to justify your cause/effect story. All this trickery is possible because there honest to God is no temporal flow in actuality. Time is an illusion. It is, itself, a creation. So "feeling created in the 'past' " is intentionally created so that when desired outcome arrives on my way , I will believe the cause and effect? "when 'cause' is actually created so as to 'justify' 'effect'" So you meant to say the line of unfolding event is predestined to happen to make me beleive the cause and effect? |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 7, 2021 3:32:03 GMT
The belief you have that you are "actually" "creating/causing" a positive feeling within yourself at will is misconceived.
First off, The desire to create a specific feeling is not in your hands...you didn't cause that to happen....there is no 'you' that did that or that 'controls' that.
The very desire to create a specific feeling is inextricably correlated to the manifest feeling that arises...there is no you that actually 'did/caused/catalyzed' the feeling, even though you may indeed experience it as such.
The desire to control/create a specific feeling so as to manifest a particular outcome, and the sense that there is a you who did that, who made it happen, is all just "the way reality is unfolding"...it's just the experiential story, which means, it's not Truth/actual.
Again, you make a mistake by holding to the distinction between feelings and manifestation of form....both are appearance only....both creative unfolding...creative expression....neither actual cause/catalyst to the other.
Feelings don't actually 'attract' material experience...that would mean feelings are cause/catalyst to future experience. Rather, they are mere 'correlates.'
LOA is the 'in the sequential story' view only. Once that view is transcended, the LOA explanation goes up in smoke because you see there are no actual 'causes' within the story. Nothing that appears is actually 'attracting' other stuff that appears.
Did you read this line?
I actually thought that one applied to what you were saying about me and how I see things.
So, on one hand you say you re not creating the reality, that reality unfolds that way, but then right after you say: "But this doesn't mean that I can not create certain feeling in me. If I create a certain feeling in me, then it's going to manifest in the outer world."
"A feeling" is a facet of reality that is also just unfolding. How could it be that you don't create reality, that's it's all just unfolding that way, but somehow you can and do, create a feeling?
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Post by Enigma on Jan 7, 2021 5:24:07 GMT
The difficulty is that you're thinking linearly about a supposed process that is decidedly non-linear. You cannot use observed results to confirm cause when 'cause' is actually created so as to 'justify' 'effect'. The 'feeling' in you comes about as a result of an event that comes about in your perceived future. Perceived event... feeling created in the 'past' to justify your cause/effect story. All this trickery is possible because there honest to God is no temporal flow in actuality. Time is an illusion. It is, itself, a creation. So "feeling created in the 'past' " is intentionally created so that when desired outcome arrives on my way , I will believe the cause and effect? "when 'cause' is actually created so as to 'justify' 'effect'" So you meant to say the line of unfolding event is predestined to happen to make me beleive the cause and effect? Nobody but you is trying to make you believe cause/effect. Life is so free that you can create your own 'past' conditioning to agree with (justify) your ideas about cause/effect in the 'present'. This is how ideas become beliefs and facts. You can do this because there is no past. |
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Post by Enigma on Jan 7, 2021 5:27:49 GMT
The belief you have that you are "actually" "creating/causing" a positive feeling within yourself at will is misconceived.
First off, The desire to create a specific feeling is not in your hands...you didn't cause that to happen....there is no 'you' that did that or that 'controls' that.
The very desire to create a specific feeling is inextricably correlated to the manifest feeling that arises...there is no you that actually 'did/caused/catalyzed' the feeling, even though you may indeed experience it as such.
The desire to control/create a specific feeling so as to manifest a particular outcome, and the sense that there is a you who did that, who made it happen, is all just "the way reality is unfolding"...it's just the experiential story, which means, it's not Truth/actual.
Again, you make a mistake by holding to the distinction between feelings and manifestation of form....both are appearance only....both creative unfolding...creative expression....neither actual cause/catalyst to the other.
Feelings don't actually 'attract' material experience...that would mean feelings are cause/catalyst to future experience. Rather, they are mere 'correlates.'
LOA is the 'in the sequential story' view only. Once that view is transcended, the LOA explanation goes up in smoke because you see there are no actual 'causes' within the story. Nothing that appears is actually 'attracting' other stuff that appears.
Did you read this line?
Did you read the rest of that line? " It is definitely we are not creating the reality instead creation unfolds that way. But this doesn't mean that I can not create certain feeling in me. If I create a certain feeling in me, then it's going to manifest in the outer world." |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 7, 2021 6:08:29 GMT
So "feeling created in the 'past' " is intentionally created so that when desired outcome arrives on my way , I will believe the cause and effect? "when 'cause' is actually created so as to 'justify' 'effect'" So you meant to say the line of unfolding event is predestined to happen to make me beleive the cause and effect? Nobody but you is trying to make you believe cause/effect. Life is so free that you can create your own 'past' conditioning to agree with (justify) your ideas about cause/effect in the 'present'. This is how ideas become beliefs and facts. You can do this because there is no past. What you mean by there is no past? I haven't married a particular girl, I haven't studied in a particular college, Can I change my past such a way that I have married that particular girl and I have studied in a particular college? Can I change it? |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 7, 2021 6:10:02 GMT
Did you read the rest of that line? " It is definitely we are not creating the reality instead creation unfolds that way. But this doesn't mean that I can not create certain feeling in me. If I create a certain feeling in me, then it's going to manifest in the outer world." When I walk, walking is happening, when I swim, swimming is happening. I am not doing it. Likewise when I create the feeling, I am not creating, it's being created. But the point is, when that feeling is being created, that's an indication of towards a particular future. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 8, 2021 5:29:08 GMT
Did you read the rest of that line? " It is definitely we are not creating the reality instead creation unfolds that way. But this doesn't mean that I can not create certain feeling in me. If I create a certain feeling in me, then it's going to manifest in the outer world." When I walk, walking is happening, when I swim, swimming is happening. I am not doing it. Likewise when I create the feeling, I am not creating, it's being created. But the point is, when that feeling is being created, that's an indication of towards a particular future.  So, when you create the feeling, you are NOT creating the feeling. ok. 
This is an example of why I am finding it difficult to grasp exactly what you are saying.
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Post by Gopal on Jan 9, 2021 7:26:53 GMT
When I walk, walking is happening, when I swim, swimming is happening. I am not doing it. Likewise when I create the feeling, I am not creating, it's being created. But the point is, when that feeling is being created, that's an indication of towards a particular future. So, when you create the feeling, you are NOT creating the feeling. ok.
This is an example of why I am finding it difficult to grasp exactly what you are saying.
From the point of impersonal, all things are happening. From the point of me, I create like I walk. While I create I am aware of the fact that I am not doing actually doing it. Satch logic of 'no doer' applies here. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 9, 2021 19:20:35 GMT
So, when you create the feeling, you are NOT creating the feeling. ok.
This is an example of why I am finding it difficult to grasp exactly what you are saying.
. From the point of me, I create like I walk. While I create I am aware of the fact that I am not doing actually doing it. Satch logic of 'no doer' applies here. What is being deemed 'point of impersonal' above, must be realized....there has to be a seeing through of what is not so, before you'll have actual reference for "impersonal."
That place of seeing (not really a place at all, but will use that term for lack of a better word) transcends the limited/deluded view of a 'me who attracts or creates the future story,' and illuminates any experience of such as 'empty appearance only/not Truth.'
If you don't regard the law of attraction to be Truth, why do you keep arguing for it? I guess the question is; DO YOU regard "present feelings attract future happenings" to be an absolute Truth?
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Post by Gopal on Jan 10, 2021 9:48:03 GMT
From the point of impersonal, all things are happening. From the point of me, I create like I walk. While I create I am aware of the fact that I am not doing actually doing it. Satch logic of 'no doer' applies here. What is being deemed 'point of impersonal' above, must be realized....there has to be a seeing through of what is not so, before you'll have actual reference for "impersonal."
That place of seeing (not really a place at all, but will use that term for lack of a better word) transcends the limited/deluded view of a 'me who attracts or creates the future story,' and illuminates any experience of such as 'empty appearance only/not Truth.'
If you don't regard the law of attraction to be Truth, why do you keep arguing for it? I guess the question is; DO YOU regard "present feelings attract future happenings" to be an absolute Truth?
Present feeling is not attracting but that's the good way of saying. But actually it's not attracting, it's indicating the movement towards that future. If you have a strong desire and it keeps coming in your mind as if you have already have it, then you have already boarded the bus which is going to that future. |
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So, when you create the feeling, you are NOT creating the feeling. ok. 