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Post by Enigma on Jan 15, 2021 6:32:06 GMT
I am talking about people doing as a consistent practice until it gets manifested. Don't you do something like that? Nope. Maybe you haven't heard, I'm not a big practicer.  One more thing that might put an end to this visualization practice nonsense. It's a truth that time is an illusion. It's not just a theory. In your terms, it's the way creation works. For example, SR does not occur at the end of a long search. The search is a story lived out in the mind, The realization happens now, the story is irrelevant. The same holds true of perceived 'change' on all levels. Healing is never the result of following some healing modality to it's ultimate conclusion. The healing happens now, and a story is inserted into the dream. My mind tells me that the work I did on Marie lasted about a minute. We stood still silently and motionless facing each other. I moved energy to her ears, encountered a block in her jaw which resulted in tooth pain and she asked me to stop. That's all. I strip as much process out of it as my mind will allow, and this enables me to align closely with the flow of creation because creation is not really a flow or a process. Everything is available to us now. It is not available at some future time. There is a beautiful freedom in this, and mind will be terrified. It was what I alluded to in saying mind creates a future story to 'justify' a present happening now. |
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Post by muttley on Jan 15, 2021 19:05:12 GMT
Yeah, we are using the terms 'acceptance' and 'peace' very differently. If you can accept the present moment, then you are in Peace. But like the Bhagavad Gita relates, sometimes you have to accept that you have to fight!  |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 15, 2021 22:46:37 GMT
Yeah, we are using the terms 'acceptance' and 'peace' very differently. If you can accept the present moment, then you are in Peace. For you though, 'accepting the present moment' equals 'liking the content/what is appearing.'
For me, 'accepting the present moment' equals no "fundamental fight" with the content/what is appearing.
My acceptance hinges upon an absence of an SVP, whereas yours hinges upon the presence of a person who likes what is happening.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 15, 2021 22:52:44 GMT
Yes, that's what it seems like to me too. That's very clear. People those proclaim to have attained the Peace but expressing an anger really stand for the question of whether they have realized or not. Well, to be fair, all we can know for certain is what the ZD character has expressed on forum. We don't even know for certain if the ZD character is representative of actual experience/perceiving, let alone what the content of "his" experience actually is.
Indeed, some of the stuff he's described and some of the ways he's behaved, particularly when challenged, do 'seem to' indicate that he's got quite an ego and that he gets pretty huffed and chuffed at those who dare to challenge him. He's shared a few marital stories as well, describing one on one exchanges he's had with his wife in the past, that for me, raised an eyebrow. We can have opinions about him exhibiting blameful anger, but cannot know for certain what's going on there. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 15, 2021 22:57:20 GMT
Stability is a facet of the dream not a law that governs it. I don't know universe or consciousness is following certain Law. I say the way it acts, we take it as Law. Do you see the difference? The idea that consciousness follows 'laws' would mean that consciousness is bound/limited by something beyond itself. The very idea is misconceived and that one would even ask or wonder about such a thing, indicates a conceptualization of consciousness.
To 'take' the 'way it acts' as law is to take mind's ideas about the unfolding dream as something more than just an idea.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 15, 2021 23:00:40 GMT
You said this:
"Events are fabricated to bring out certain expression in you."
That implies a sort of 'purpose' that is in play.....an overriding 'intent' that's involved in the unfolding. That is something you are just imagining/reading into things.
Events are envisioned by you like when you are in your nightly dream. If you say you are in dream, then that's the actually the case, eh? The reference to life as a dream is not to be taken so literally...it's a metaphor....a way of denoting the appearing world and all that appears as an empty arising within/to that which abides, no separation....that the experiential world, the sequential ongoing story, has no independent existence of it's own. |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 16, 2021 13:25:06 GMT
I perfectly don't have any problem when people like you come here and write very decent comment. Isn't it difficult not to control people when you can? It feels natural. I don't want people those who can not spend two minutes for registration. Thanks. |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 16, 2021 13:45:52 GMT
If you can accept the present moment, then you are in Peace. But like the Bhagavad Gita relates, sometimes you have to accept that you have to fight! When you are fighting, you are already not into the acceptance mode. |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 16, 2021 13:47:38 GMT
If you can accept the present moment, then you are in Peace. For you though, 'accepting the present moment' equals 'liking the content/what is appearing.'
For me, 'accepting the present moment' equals no "fundamental fight" with the content/what is appearing.
My acceptance hinges upon an absence of an SVP, whereas yours hinges upon the presence of a person who likes what is happening.
I never say accepting the present moment is liking the present moment. If that is the case, then that should be my happy side of the rollercoaster. I said If I can casually look at the ongoing movie without getting any trouble, that's acceptance and it doesn't matter even if the story is someone murdering someone else. |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 16, 2021 13:50:11 GMT
If you can accept the present moment, then you are in Peace. For you though, 'accepting the present moment' equals 'liking the content/what is appearing.'
For me, 'accepting the present moment' equals no "fundamental fight" with the content/what is appearing.
My acceptance hinges upon an absence of an SVP, whereas yours hinges upon the presence of a person who likes what is happening.
When you are in fundamental fighting mode, then you are already not in an acceptance mode. You know I don't identify myself as a person. A person gives the power to the what's happening outside of him because his deep routed belief. But I never give the power to the outer world and never manipulate outer world moment to get what I want. My focus is how I create my reality from inner to outer. The day I came to know my inner is creating the reality, the person part which I believed went in air. |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 16, 2021 13:52:26 GMT
That's very clear. People those proclaim to have attained the Peace but expressing an anger really stand for the question of whether they have realized or not. Well, to be fair, all we can know for certain is what the ZD character has expressed on forum. We don't even know for certain if the ZD character is representative of actual experience/perceiving, let alone what the content of "his" experience actually is.
Indeed, some of the stuff he's described and some of the ways he's behaved, particularly when challenged, do 'seem to' indicate that he's got quite an ego and that he gets pretty huffed and chuffed at those who dare to challenge him. He's shared a few marital stories as well, describing one on one exchanges he's had with his wife in the past, that for me, raised an eyebrow. We can have opinions about him exhibiting blameful anger, but cannot know for certain what's going on there. I can certain know what's going on in his reality. He is definitely not in Peace. The one thing he differ from ordinary person is, he believes that whatever happens is perfectly okay. That actually pulls him out of the trouble mode quicker than other people but it is not saving him from entering into the troublesome mode. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 13:53:50 GMT
Hi Bill No, this isn't me. I have been reading here when I have time, but wasn't sure I wanted to join. Been pretty busy the last few weeks with a kitchen remodel. I admit to being somewhat perturbed/offended that you would think that response to enigma was me. I sent him well wishes on his website, Realizing Happiness, after the Oregon fires. I'm happy he survived that. Over on spiritualgab, I don't remember/recall one time he and I at odds about anything. Bad form, Billy.  So, again, No. Hey, it got you to update us so while I'm sorry I offended you I'm also glad I did! .. (d@mn I forgot how good live Georgie is) We never woulda heard of Georgie if it wasn't for Chuck! You wannanotha update? The electrician can't make it back here until next Friday... Damn primadonnas....  *Hopefully I can take this body condom off on Wednesday... |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 16, 2021 13:54:06 GMT
I don't know universe or consciousness is following certain Law. I say the way it acts, we take it as Law. Do you see the difference? The idea that consciousness follows 'laws' would mean that consciousness is bound/limited by something beyond itself. The very idea is misconceived and that one would even ask or wonder about such a thing, indicates a conceptualization of consciousness.
To 'take' the 'way it acts' as law is to take mind's ideas about the unfolding dream as something more than just an idea.
I am sorry I have wrongly worded in my last reply. I write again Universe or consciousness is not following certain law instead whatever way it moves, we take it as a law. For an example, gravity pulls back, that's the way consciousness creates it's perception so I take that as a law and it never violates. |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 16, 2021 13:57:40 GMT
Events are envisioned by you like when you are in your nightly dream. If you say you are in dream, then that's the actually the case, eh? The reference to life as a dream is not to be taken so literally...it's a metaphor....a way of denoting the appearing world and all that appears as an empty arising within/to that which abides, no separation....that the experiential world, the sequential ongoing story, has no independent existence of it's own. Look at what text I have written again. This time look more carefully. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 16, 2021 21:44:14 GMT
For you though, 'accepting the present moment' equals 'liking the content/what is appearing.'
For me, 'accepting the present moment' equals no "fundamental fight" with the content/what is appearing.
My acceptance hinges upon an absence of an SVP, whereas yours hinges upon the presence of a person who likes what is happening.
I never say accepting the present moment is liking the present moment. If that is the case, then that should be my happy side of the rollercoaster. I said If I can casually look at the ongoing movie without getting any trouble, that's acceptance and it doesn't matter even if the story is someone murdering someone else. I'm finding it really hard to keep up with your definition of 'acceptance.'
Envisioning of how a current situation might change/evolve for the better, to align more with personal liking, is not at odds with fundamental acceptance.
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