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Post by Enigma on Jan 14, 2021 18:24:11 GMT
It feels unnatural to you not to control people when you can?  Do you have a comprehension problem? That IS what you said. |
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Post by muttley on Jan 14, 2021 23:14:28 GMT
Art, is that you?  Hi Bill No, this isn't me. I have been reading here when I have time, but wasn't sure I wanted to join. Been pretty busy the last few weeks with a kitchen remodel. I admit to being somewhat perturbed/offended that you would think that response to enigma was me. I sent him well wishes on his website, Realizing Happiness, after the Oregon fires. I'm happy he survived that. Over on spiritualgab, I don't remember/recall one time he and I at odds about anything. Bad form, Billy. So, again, No. Hey, it got you to update us so while I'm sorry I offended you I'm also glad I did!  .. (d@mn I forgot how good live Georgie is) |
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Post by muttley on Jan 14, 2021 23:18:50 GMT
Laughter, Our Forum has to be: Registration was required to post messages and send private messages, but anyone could read the forums without registering. Since you are a moderator, can you search the option to close the power of guest posting the post because we will lose the control. Done. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 15, 2021 0:17:54 GMT
Depends how you define 'desire.' If you read my post again, you might notice i didn't use that term as it tends to denote more of a 'burning/needy' variety of 'want/intent.'
Absent the SVP, burning/needful desire has nothing from which to stand upon. But absent the SVP, likes/dislikes/intents/interest in how the story evolves, still do continues to arise.
There is never a point, regardless of how enlightened one is where there is no caring/interest at all in the unfolding story. Interest/intent is built in to experience...a facet of the appearing character....even absent an SVP, there will be an interest in how the story unfolds.
What you are positing is either an experience devoid of all thoughts/intents towards the story, or an experience that conforms in perfect alignment with all personal interests/intents....where everything that appears is personally 'liked.'
The term 'acceptance' in spiritual conversations does not mean that you personally, as the character, judge every appearing condition as 'likeable.' Rather, its' a reference to a fundamental absence....a fundamental seeing that ultimately, all that arises is perfectly as it is.
Your definition of 'acceptance' and mine are different. I am talking about a fundamental acceptance that still allows for the experience of personal judgement, personal likes/dislikes.
I DO though agree with you about ZD. He has described instances where it does very much sound to me as though he becomes blame-fully angry and I don't see how discord of that depth arises absent an SVP.
You are not only watching the movie, you are actually participating inside the movie. So you would not be quite when the given situation is not likable(let's assume your son or daughter is not well), You would surely expect a wellness of your son and more than that, you would be taking an action towards your son wellness(going to the doctor). I am not saying I won't be going to the doctor if my daughter is not well. I will do. What I am writing is, I am just giving an example of not accepting the situation. Acceptance means you don't really want any change to the given situation no matter whether it's a burning need or very slightest.When you don't want any change,that's what I would like to call as Peace. This Peace certainly manifest in the outer world(I know this part you would disagree). Yeah, we are using the terms 'acceptance' and 'peace' very differently. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 15, 2021 0:20:04 GMT
I DO though agree with you about ZD. He has described instances where it does very much sound to me as though he becomes blame-fully angry and I don't see how discord of that depth arises absent an SVP.
ZD is perfectly articulating the Peace more than any one. He is saying he doesn't need anything other than the present moment experience,he says that all the expectation drops away. He is explaining very neatly, but he fails at his experience terribly so this tells me he must have gotten the theory from someone else and believed it so strongly and mistook some of mysterious experience to be a greatest realization. Yes, that's what it seems like to me too. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 15, 2021 0:21:28 GMT
If we're talking Truth, jumping happens absent a me/some-one/some-thing that is doing it. What you are really arguing for here is 'expectation' dictating future experience. Expectation is indeed correlated, but not causal. Although gravity has been the experience to date, it's possible that jumping up might result in something else coming after. There are no set laws pertaining to the dream, governing how the dream might move and unfold. Dream content/dream movement is not limited to what you currently expect to happen. don't you see that? Even nightly dream is pretty stable, I don't see any fault there. Every dream has it's own rules and it's not violating it. If you say somebody is not setting it up, then that's okay. But dream violation will not happen unless some body like Jesus who opens the eyes of the blind man and that's what we call miracle. But this reality is not allowing any law to be collapsed which is very much necessary for our experience. It will find an alternative way to fly but it would allow you to directly fly from where you are and that's a violation for our individual experience to happen. Stability is a facet of the dream not a law that governs it. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 15, 2021 0:26:08 GMT
Who or what 'fabricates' these events for the purpose of creating certain expressions? This is what is meant when folks tell you it sounds as though you are invoking a 'personal God.' While it may look as though events are happening for a particular purpose, all seeing of such purpose is 'in the dream/story-telling' only and not Truth. I've said it before and I'll say it again; Stop looking to dream content for your Truth. You won't find it there. You are fabricating those events. It arises automatically. You said this:
"Events are fabricated to bring out certain expression in you."
That implies a sort of 'purpose' that is in play.....an overriding 'intent' that's involved in the unfolding. That is something you are just imagining/reading into things.
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Post by muttley on Jan 15, 2021 3:24:28 GMT
Laughter, Our Forum has to be: Registration was required to post messages and send private messages, but anyone could read the forums without registering. Since you are a moderator, can you search the option to close the power of guest posting the post because we will lose the control. Oops! Spoke too soon.  Check your pm. |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 15, 2021 6:02:42 GMT
Laughter, Our Forum has to be: Registration was required to post messages and send private messages, but anyone could read the forums without registering. Since you are a moderator, can you search the option to close the power of guest posting the post because we will lose the control. Done.  |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 15, 2021 6:04:33 GMT
You are not only watching the movie, you are actually participating inside the movie. So you would not be quite when the given situation is not likable(let's assume your son or daughter is not well), You would surely expect a wellness of your son and more than that, you would be taking an action towards your son wellness(going to the doctor). I am not saying I won't be going to the doctor if my daughter is not well. I will do. What I am writing is, I am just giving an example of not accepting the situation. Acceptance means you don't really want any change to the given situation no matter whether it's a burning need or very slightest.When you don't want any change,that's what I would like to call as Peace. This Peace certainly manifest in the outer world(I know this part you would disagree). Yeah, we are using the terms 'acceptance' and 'peace' very differently. If you can accept the present moment, then you are in Peace. |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 15, 2021 6:05:48 GMT
ZD is perfectly articulating the Peace more than any one. He is saying he doesn't need anything other than the present moment experience,he says that all the expectation drops away. He is explaining very neatly, but he fails at his experience terribly so this tells me he must have gotten the theory from someone else and believed it so strongly and mistook some of mysterious experience to be a greatest realization. Yes, that's what it seems like to me too. That's very clear. People those proclaim to have attained the Peace but expressing an anger really stand for the question of whether they have realized or not. |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 15, 2021 6:06:36 GMT
Dream is pretty stable, don't you see that? Even nightly dream is pretty stable, I don't see any fault there. Every dream has it's own rules and it's not violating it. If you say somebody is not setting it up, then that's okay. But dream violation will not happen unless some body like Jesus who opens the eyes of the blind man and that's what we call miracle. But this reality is not allowing any law to be collapsed which is very much necessary for our experience. It will find an alternative way to fly but it would allow you to directly fly from where you are and that's a violation for our individual experience to happen. Stability is a facet of the dream not a law that governs it. I don't know universe or consciousness is following certain Law. I say the way it acts, we take it as Law. Do you see the difference? |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 15, 2021 6:07:38 GMT
You are fabricating those events. It arises automatically. You said this:
"Events are fabricated to bring out certain expression in you."
That implies a sort of 'purpose' that is in play.....an overriding 'intent' that's involved in the unfolding. That is something you are just imagining/reading into things.
Events are envisioned by you like when you are in your nightly dream. If you say you are in dream, then that's the actually the case, eh? |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 15, 2021 6:08:18 GMT
Laughter, Our Forum has to be: Registration was required to post messages and send private messages, but anyone could read the forums without registering. Since you are a moderator, can you search the option to close the power of guest posting the post because we will lose the control. Oops! Spoke too soon. Check your pm. I checked and replied as well. We have successfully closed the guest mode! Thanks for helping me. |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 15, 2021 6:11:17 GMT
You said once that you keep doing your visualization time to time (remote healing). But once mary reaches to certain level, she couldn't bear the pain and asked you to stop it. Do you remember that? That's not what I said. That's what you said. When she asks you, you would give up or stop doing visualization process. You might have forgotten. |
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.. (d@mn I forgot how good live Georgie is) 
Check your pm. 