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Post by Gopal on Jan 10, 2021 13:19:16 GMT
Then you asked me to change the condition to change the world, yes? Or are you saying something else? You can only change some condition according to your conditioning. It would be silly for me to ask you to do that. However, lucky for you, I am part of your conditioning.  I think clear seeing changes the conditioning automatically. For an example, knowing clearly that other person can't be blamed changes the conditioning in us. I think that's what you are saying. If you are saying that I would agree. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 10, 2021 18:25:18 GMT
A perceiver does not actually appear. If there is clarity, it will be seen that there actually is no perceiver...the perceiver is imagined into 'watching.' & Fwiw, in clarity, any 'process' involved there, will also be seen through. I am not actually saying perceiver is appearing. I am saying Perceiving is happening and we are assuming the perceiver and perceived from the perceiving! both can't be separated. Yes, I agree that the perceiver is assumed. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 10, 2021 19:21:06 GMT
The only reason one continues to cling to the story of Law of Attraction,to insist it is Truth, even after supposedly seeing through the SVP, is because his peace still depends upon conditions aligning with his personal likes/dislikes.
LOA is a story that brings great comfort to those whose peace is dependent upon conditions aligning with desires. If I can control the content of the unfolding story, then my desires/likes/wants will always be fulfilled and I then I won't feel the intolerable discord that I feel when my wants are thwarted.
When the SVP is no longer in play, the perfection of the up and down nature of experience is realized, and with that, desires/wants/intents become more aligned with 'what is.' When that happens, it's very rare for a strong desire to arise that is divergently opposing to what is currently appearing....instead of 'strong desires' for a different story, what we then have is more akin to general intent towards harmony and harmonious unfolding. And that 'general intent towards harmony' can very much include visualization of a future condition without invoking an SVP who is imagined to be controlling feelings and "causing" stuff to happen.
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Post by Enigma on Jan 12, 2021 21:09:04 GMT
The way things unfold for her changes, yes, because her conditioning changes. She does not bring about the changes. That's what I am asking as to how did her conditioning change? By becoming aware of the mental processes.  |
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Post by Enigma on Jan 12, 2021 21:12:28 GMT
"Predetermined' implies a temporal flow in the way creation unfolds. The unfolding is not linear. It is neither predetermined nor created in 'real time'. The question is misconceived. Unfolding is linear, don't you see that? I know that it appears that way. Lots of things are not the way they appear. Don't you see that? |
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Post by Enigma on Jan 12, 2021 21:47:24 GMT
IOW, Consciousness has no cause??  You gonna' bill for that one?  Well, it only seems fair given the complexities involved in the translation.  |
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Post by muttley on Jan 12, 2021 23:28:10 GMT
You gonna' bill for that one? Well, it only seems fair given the complexities involved in the translation. Just went online to look for competitors. There used to be dozens. Now it's all "Amphibious Translations Inc." so I guess I'll just have to pay up.  |
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Post by Enigma on Jan 13, 2021 0:58:45 GMT
That's what I am saying Consciousness is the cause or consciousnesses creates!
That's okay. That's not the way I meant as well.
Consciousness can't cause Consciousness. Consciousness is indivisible. "Source" doesn't mean a source machine that you push a button and something happens. Source isn't a vending machine.  Dang! No wonder all that damn machine gives me is gummy bears.  |
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Post by Enigma on Jan 13, 2021 1:02:18 GMT
I did not say consciousness causes anything. You said "I mean, there is nothing that causes "Consciousness". " I said Consciousness is creating the reality so it's the cause of all the appearances. What the hell?  What we have here is a failure to communicate. |
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Post by Enigma on Jan 13, 2021 1:06:03 GMT
You can only change some condition according to your conditioning. It would be silly for me to ask you to do that. However, lucky for you, I am part of your conditioning. I think clear seeing changes the conditioning automatically. For an example, knowing clearly that other person can't be blamed changes the conditioning in us. I think that's what you are saying. If you are saying that I would agree. Yes. |
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Post by muttley on Jan 13, 2021 1:55:10 GMT
Consciousness can't cause Consciousness. Consciousness is indivisible. "Source" doesn't mean a source machine that you push a button and something happens. Source isn't a vending machine. Dang! No wonder all that damn machine gives me is gummy bears. Probly taste better than gummy frogs though, right? |
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Post by Enigma on Jan 13, 2021 2:51:37 GMT
Well, it only seems fair given the complexities involved in the translation. Just went online to look for competitors. There used to be dozens. Now it's all "Amphibious Translations Inc." so I guess I'll just have to pay up. Yeah, I had to set up a few dummy corporations to avoid anti-trust problems, but just trust me.  |
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Post by Enigma on Jan 13, 2021 2:55:12 GMT
Dang! No wonder all that damn machine gives me is gummy bears. Probly taste better than gummy frogs though, right?  |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 13, 2021 6:03:55 GMT
That's what I am asking as to how did her conditioning change? By becoming aware of the mental processes. Okay, you are talking about clarity. This proves that whole power lies inside. |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 13, 2021 6:04:42 GMT
Unfolding is linear, don't you see that? I know that it appears that way. Lots of things are not the way they appear. Don't you see that?I did not even observe the single thing so far. Can you say me one such a thing? |
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