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Post by Figgles on Feb 22, 2021 17:17:28 GMT
Because, that's what suffering IS...the mental overlay of imagined separation....the overlay of a separate person/entity 'who' must endure life. So svp is the cause of suffering then? It's more accurate to say the mental overlay of SVP/imagined SVP = suffering. Suffering is the erroneous belief in separation. That's what's at the crux of the mental overlay that gets heaped upon a moment of sorrow (for example) that then drags that feeling/sense down into despair/a sense that what's happening is intolerable. |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 22, 2021 17:21:10 GMT
Of course! That is central to any and all LOA practices.
The main crux of AH teachings, pretty much any LOA teaching I've come across is that 'feeling' of anticipation, of joy, of absolute knowing your desired manifestation is on it's way, is your 'evidence' that it actually will manifest.
So, the creating of a vision board, for example, has the positive feeling of anticipation, of positive expectation, strong knowing that the manifestation is on it's way, inherent to it.
If one didn't believe/feel that the creation of a vision board didn't bring him closer to his manifest desire, he wouldn't be making a vision board.
For several years I sold a manifesting technique that came to me as I was drifting off to sleep; It entailed catching yourself in that phase between wakefulness, sleep (hypnagogic state) and in that moment, envisioning your manifest desire as if it is here, now, complete with all the positive feelings/emotions surrounding it....and then from there, allowing yourself to drift into sleep.
With any and all so called "manifestation techniques" be it creating a vision board, envisioning as if you already have it, writing it out in a journal, central to it is always the 'feeling/emotion' that the manifestation is on it's way. The LOA premise is; If that feeling is arising of the manifestation already being here, it's almost ready to appear.
In my opinion, you did not use any technique. It's a everyday practice to hold the image of the outcome until it manifest outside. My intent at the time WAS to manifest my desire through using the techniques I described. I was deeply steeped in the idea that in engaging those practices, I was aligning with my manifest desire and in doing so, I was wholeheartedly waiting in expectation of my desire.
Is creating a vision board full of pics that depict the desired future condition in manifest form, 'an everyday practice' to you? What the heck is that if not 'an LOA technique'?
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Post by Esponja on Feb 22, 2021 23:07:17 GMT
I have a question:
All thoughts are vibrating forms of energy appearing.
So how do resistant thoughts attract negative/non-desirable (need to use labels here) manifestations but good thoughts or even just observing non labelling/allowing. -create more flow, better manifestations, easier life?
I think we all agree that this is the case right? Even if nobody is controlling the thoughts, we can see that one leads to another???
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Post by Figgles on Feb 23, 2021 3:40:18 GMT
I have a question: All thoughts are vibrating forms of energy appearing. So how do resistant thoughts attract negative/non-desirable (need to use labels here) manifestations but good thoughts or even just observing non labelling/allowing. -create more flow, better manifestations, easier life? I think we all agree that this is the case right? Even if nobody is controlling the thoughts, we can see that one leads to another??? One 'leading to another,' is not the same as one 'attracting' another.
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Post by Gopal on Feb 23, 2021 4:09:36 GMT
So svp is the cause of suffering then? It's more accurate to say the mental overlay of SVP/imagined SVP = suffering. Suffering is the erroneous belief in separation. That's what's at the crux of the mental overlay that gets heaped upon a moment of sorrow (for example) that then drags that feeling/sense down into despair/a sense that what's happening is intolerable. So since one has this idea of separation, they suffer,eh? |
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Post by Gopal on Feb 23, 2021 4:10:03 GMT
I'm not sure what you mean. The SVP is a 'mistake of mind.' And while 'minding' can be said to arise, there is no 'who' that is actually doing the minding.  |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 23, 2021 4:48:13 GMT
It's more accurate to say the mental overlay of SVP/imagined SVP = suffering. Suffering is the erroneous belief in separation. That's what's at the crux of the mental overlay that gets heaped upon a moment of sorrow (for example) that then drags that feeling/sense down into despair/a sense that what's happening is intolerable. So since one has this idea of separation, they suffer,eh? The illusion of separation = suffering. |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 23, 2021 4:48:50 GMT
I'm not sure what you mean. The SVP is a 'mistake of mind.' And while 'minding' can be said to arise, there is no 'who' that is actually doing the minding.  |
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Post by Esponja on Feb 23, 2021 5:37:28 GMT
I have a question: All thoughts are vibrating forms of energy appearing. So how do resistant thoughts attract negative/non-desirable (need to use labels here) manifestations but good thoughts or even just observing non labelling/allowing. -create more flow, better manifestations, easier life? I think we all agree that this is the case right? Even if nobody is controlling the thoughts, we can see that one leads to another??? One 'leading to another,' is not the same as one 'attracting' another.
If you have time Figgles, are you able to elaborate or point me to any further learning on this? I want to get my head around this LOA and where it fits in with non-duality. |
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Post by Gopal on Feb 23, 2021 5:52:34 GMT
So since one has this idea of separation, they suffer,eh? The illusion of separation = suffering. How come illusion 9f separation itself suffering ? |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 23, 2021 17:16:28 GMT
The illusion of separation = suffering. How come illusion 9f separation itself suffering ? Not sure what you mean... |
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Post by Gopal on Feb 23, 2021 18:16:07 GMT
How come illusion 9f separation itself suffering ? Not sure what you mean... you said illusion of separation = suffering. How is it? Since one believes in separation that is actually causing him to suffer, yes? |
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Post by Gopal on Feb 23, 2021 18:19:20 GMT
I have a question: All thoughts are vibrating forms of energy appearing. So how do resistant thoughts attract negative/non-desirable (need to use labels here) manifestations but good thoughts or even just observing non labelling/allowing. -create more flow, better manifestations, easier life? I think we all agree that this is the case right? Even if nobody is controlling the thoughts, we can see that one leads to another??? Perfectly yes. Even if one consider one follows another, still the question as to why resistance follows negative experience why not happy experience? |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 23, 2021 21:09:31 GMT
Not sure what you mean... you said illusion of separation = suffering. How is it? Since one believes in separation that is actually causing him to suffer, yes?Probably best not to use the term 'causes,' because really, nothing appearing in the story actually causes anything else to happen in the story, but yes, where there is an erroneous belief in separation, there is the potential for suffering.
Separation though is far more than just a singular 'belief.' It's deep...all encompassing. You don't just see beyond separation by finding a way not to 'believe in it' anymore. That would be a conceptual understanding only. Separation must be realized to be false.
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Post by Figgles on Feb 23, 2021 21:10:41 GMT
I have a question: All thoughts are vibrating forms of energy appearing. So how do resistant thoughts attract negative/non-desirable (need to use labels here) manifestations but good thoughts or even just observing non labelling/allowing. -create more flow, better manifestations, easier life? I think we all agree that this is the case right? Even if nobody is controlling the thoughts, we can see that one leads to another??? Perfectly yes. Even if one consider one follows another, still the question as to why resistance follows negative experience why not happy experience?The very fact of denoting a particular experience as negative means 'resistance' is already the case. |
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