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Post by muttley on Jan 20, 2021 3:58:55 GMT
One point though, proboards probably sells to big data, so I can understand why some people would rather not register here. This isn't to 2nd guess the decision to block guest posting, it's just an issue with proboards as we've discussed more generally over the past weeks. That's the only thing I still did not understand. Let's assume we open our forum like proboards, how can we earn money? Only through the advertisement? Is there any other way? Take whatsapp, it's not showing any advertisement but still they are earning crores of money. eh? The community has to get really big to make a significant income from advertisement, and all the bigger if you're not willing to add trackers and/or do other sorts of mining on the users. Not to say it would be zero, but perhaps a model offering a premium level of access to the community might be a better choice for something small. At the extreme end, the community would be supported by voluntary donations, like a church.
But I think there are other options, especially if you use your imagination as to how you can expand functionality beyond just a simple message board. Why not envision combining all of the functions of a blog/magazine/reddit, twitter, facebook, yt and perhaps even some elements of google into one application, and add hooks out to all the other platforms as well - for example, doing a one-step posting to multiple platforms at once. You could limit some functions and areas to read-only unless paid, same with the functionality to publish. For example, posting in the twitter/chat format might be free but private and message board would be paid. Video posting would be free because it's a traffic draw, but the ability to have a live VOIP phone call with another user would be paid, for example. Another innovation I've seen applied is to share the revenue somehow with the most productive users that generate the most content. I've heard that gab.com is on this path, but I haven't spent any time on it to see how they're doing it or how it's going.
This might seem like alot, but there are open source tools for many of this functionality now readily available for use. Still, it would take quite a bit of work, the richer the user experience, the more effort it would take. Definitely, just starting out as a hobby you could only do bits and pieces, so you'd have to get creative and choose wisely, try to think of some new ways to allow people to build an online community.
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Post by Gopal on Jan 20, 2021 14:47:30 GMT
As long as you don't know the truth that you are creating your reality, you have misidentified yourself to be someone who only witnesses the game. I am saying BOTH ideas are false; The one that says you are an entity that has power to create your own reality AND the one that says you are 'a witness who watches the game.'
Truth lies 'beyond' any-one, any-thing that supposedly 'watches, creates, intends.'
Watching, creating, intending are all appearance only, facets of the dream.
No, that's wrong. You are creating the dream while it moves on. When one thinks that this is moving to the desired reality, that's where you are arresting the creator to create the same again and again. |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 20, 2021 14:51:07 GMT
We both agree that we are considering appearing other people as real, don't you consider or believe appearing people are real? I believe they are real but I can't know ultimately.
My point is, one can't play out of delusion if he has really seen through the illusion, or atleast he has to know that he is acting out of the delusion.
Okay. When you say you can know for certain the content of ZD's experience, I took the term certain to = 'ultimately.'
And yes, if one truly has seen through fundamental, personal responsibility/blame, he's not going to hold others 'fundamentally responsible' for stuff.
If he says he has seen through the illusion of personal self-hood, then he is also saying that nobody is responsible for what's happening, eh? |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 20, 2021 14:57:40 GMT
There are no laws in this universe. If you've truly seen this, then why are you still taking certain appearances as 'law'? Sounds like another 'law' you are asserting here...? Just like gravity, general 'stability' is itself, an appearance only, not Truth. Now you are looking to the absence of a particular experience to claim that the presence of a particular experience is law. Do you see yourself how you are waffling back and forth between claiming there are no laws and then arguing for laws? There are no laws. We are considering the way Consciousness creates as Laws. It creates the gravity in it's perception every time, so we are considering that as a law. So it never creates like figgles is flying, likewise, there are certain ways Consciousness always creates this reality. Like gravity, If you visualize, then it would create the desired reality in your world, that's you consider as another law like gravity.
You are saying there is no law, I am saying the way it creates I am considering that as a law. If you say 'no', then try flying and show me.
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Post by Gopal on Jan 20, 2021 14:59:39 GMT
Events are envisioned by you like when you are in your nightly dream. Agree? No. In neither case is there actually an entity 'envisioning' something. "Envisioning" is never evidence of an actual entity/creator and is not itself anything more than an appearance within the story. Then you are far behind me unfortunately. Consciousness creates the reality by moving between happy and unhappy. It is creating this rollercoaster like a machine. It orchestrate the events to creates the happiness and the same way it orchestrate the events to make you unhappy. All it ever does is creating the rollercoaster up and low. |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 20, 2021 15:01:57 GMT
If you had accepted the situation, you wouldn't have a fight! Nope. "The fight" is just the current circumstance....what is appearing in the dream. The acceptance of that, is fundamental.
"A physical fight/war" in this case, is to be seen as a metaphor for difficult circumstance that cannot be escaped from, because here and now, it simply IS what's appearing/happening.
Life sometimes demands from us certain things that are not to our personal liking. The message of that scripture is that those demands do not need to be removed from experience for fundamental acceptance to be.
Fundamental acceptance = seeing and accepting the surface imperfections of the human experience while knowing above all else, the fundamental perfection of it all.
If you can accept your difficult situation, then it's not a difficult situation. And the problem is already resolved when you accept it. So the fabricated events has lost the power and it will be collapsed. |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 20, 2021 15:03:08 GMT
This is where I don't understand. I always wonder how people those who are launching their application earn money without advertisement(whatsapp). Wikipedia is biggest network but that network works only via fund. If we build our own forum, can we earn money without advertisement has always been my question. I think that's possible, but I don't anything about that. For a few years I made a reasonable income off a website where I offered readings and sold a couple of ebooks, but I don't anything about making money from a forum. No, what you are doing is clear! you got the money when you sell the e-book, eh? What I was asking is, how come whatsapp is earning money while it's not doing any advertisement? |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 20, 2021 15:10:35 GMT
Taken that 'hidden creator' as a not a willful creator or conscious creator. The term 'not a willful creator' surely makes Enigma happy. So I hope it would make you happy as well. Now re-read my passage and let me know whether you agree with me or not!
No, I still don't agree with the idea of "a creator who is hidden in you", that "won't accept this" and that then creates a situation that evolves towards personal liking.
It simply imagining the rollercoaster all the time. When we are in the low side of the rollercoaster, we see like something is missing, so we are desiring it, and you have the hope that that will be resolved oneday. But what's actually happening here is, you are actually in the low side and what you see as a missing part is part of the necessary story. If you are wishing for something, then it would continue to create similar story and you are not allowing your rollercoaster to fall into the proper rhythm. Accepting the situation means you are not expecting any change really, not even unconsciously. There are certain illusion which I have seen through but you did not. Remember acceptance is not something we can do. |
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Post by Gopal on Jan 20, 2021 15:11:11 GMT
That's the only thing I still did not understand. Let's assume we open our forum like proboards, how can we earn money? Only through the advertisement? Is there any other way? Take whatsapp, it's not showing any advertisement but still they are earning crores of money. eh? The community has to get really big to make a significant income from advertisement, and all the bigger if you're not willing to add trackers and/or do other sorts of mining on the users. Not to say it would be zero, but perhaps a model offering a premium level of access to the community might be a better choice for something small. At the extreme end, the community would be supported by voluntary donations, like a church.
But I think there are other options, especially if you use your imagination as to how you can expand functionality beyond just a simple message board. Why not envision combining all of the functions of a blog/magazine/reddit, twitter, facebook, yt and perhaps even some elements of google into one application, and add hooks out to all the other platforms as well - for example, doing a one-step posting to multiple platforms at once. You could limit some functions and areas to read-only unless paid, same with the functionality to publish. For example, posting in the twitter/chat format might be free but private and message board would be paid. Video posting would be free because it's a traffic draw, but the ability to have a live VOIP phone call with another user would be paid, for example. Another innovation I've seen applied is to share the revenue somehow with the most productive users that generate the most content. I've heard that gab.com is on this path, but I haven't spent any time on it to see how they're doing it or how it's going.
This might seem like alot, but there are open source tools for many of this functionality now readily available for use. Still, it would take quite a bit of work, the richer the user experience, the more effort it would take. Definitely, just starting out as a hobby you could only do bits and pieces, so you'd have to get creative and choose wisely, try to think of some new ways to allow people to build an online community.
hmm okay. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 20, 2021 22:01:11 GMT
I am saying BOTH ideas are false; The one that says you are an entity that has power to create your own reality AND the one that says you are 'a witness who watches the game.'
Truth lies 'beyond' any-one, any-thing that supposedly 'watches, creates, intends.'
Watching, creating, intending are all appearance only, facets of the dream.
You are creating the dream while it moves on. When one thinks that this is moving to the desired reality, that's where you are arresting the creator to create the same again and again. What's wrong? That true lies beyond any-one, any-thing that supposedly watches, creates, intends?
That watching, creating, intending are all appearance only?
From 'within the dream' that will 'seem' wrong....to see the Truth being pointed at, you have to see 'beyond the dream.'
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Post by Figgles on Jan 20, 2021 22:03:05 GMT
Okay. When you say you can know for certain the content of ZD's experience, I took the term certain to = 'ultimately.'
And yes, if one truly has seen through fundamental, personal responsibility/blame, he's not going to hold others 'fundamentally responsible' for stuff.
If he says he has seen through the illusion of personal self-hood, then he is also saying that nobody is responsible for what's happening, eh? Yes. But the problem ensues with taking one's words as evidence that he is truly assigning fundamental blame. I agree, it 'sounds' at times like that's what ZD is doing, but ultimately, I can't be certain just by going off his written word. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 20, 2021 22:10:17 GMT
If you've truly seen this, then why are you still taking certain appearances as 'law'? Sounds like another 'law' you are asserting here...? Just like gravity, general 'stability' is itself, an appearance only, not Truth. Now you are looking to the absence of a particular experience to claim that the presence of a particular experience is law. Do you see yourself how you are waffling back and forth between claiming there are no laws and then arguing for laws? There are no laws. We are considering the way Consciousness creates as Laws. It creates the gravity in it's perception every time, so we are considering that as a law. So it never creates like figgles is flying, likewise, there are certain ways Consciousness always creates this reality. Like gravity, If you visualize, then it would create the desired reality in your world, that's you consider as another law like gravity.
You are saying there is no law, I am saying the way it creates I am considering that as a law. If you say 'no', then try flying and show me.
Therein lies the problem. It's only an SVP that thinks it can figure out 'the way Consciousness creates.' The very question of 'how does consciousness create' is misconceived. Any answer you come up with is 'in the dream'....'of the realm of the SVP' only. "Truth" does not address such questions....other than illuminating them as misconceived.
I do not need to demonstrate that I can fly for it to remain a possibility in terms of dream-content.
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Post by Figgles on Jan 20, 2021 22:13:16 GMT
No. In neither case is there actually an entity 'envisioning' something. "Envisioning" is never evidence of an actual entity/creator and is not itself anything more than an appearance within the story. Consciousness creates the reality by moving between happy and unhappy. It is creating this rollercoaster like a machine. It orchestrate the events to creates the happiness and the same way it orchestrate the events to make you unhappy. All it ever does is creating the rollercoaster up and low. |
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Post by Figgles on Jan 20, 2021 22:17:53 GMT
Nope. "The fight" is just the current circumstance....what is appearing in the dream. The acceptance of that, is fundamental.
"A physical fight/war" in this case, is to be seen as a metaphor for difficult circumstance that cannot be escaped from, because here and now, it simply IS what's appearing/happening.
Life sometimes demands from us certain things that are not to our personal liking. The message of that scripture is that those demands do not need to be removed from experience for fundamental acceptance to be.
Fundamental acceptance = seeing and accepting the surface imperfections of the human experience while knowing above all else, the fundamental perfection of it all.
And the problem is already resolved when you accept it. So the fabricated events has lost the power and it will be collapsed. No, if you can accept a difficult situation, there will not be suffering. The downs/dips of the roller-coaster do not cease altogether when accepted, they just no longer dip down into 'fundamental resistance/suffering.'
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Post by Figgles on Jan 20, 2021 22:19:58 GMT
I think that's possible, but I don't anything about that. For a few years I made a reasonable income off a website where I offered readings and sold a couple of ebooks, but I don't anything about making money from a forum. No, what you are doing is clear! you got the money when you sell the e-book, eh? What I was asking is, how come whatsapp is earning money while it's not doing any advertisement?And my answer was and still is.. .I don't know. |
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