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Post by muttley on Feb 7, 2021 18:57:12 GMT
Things can appear this way, yes, but neither those appearances nor the patterns by which they appear and disappear have any existential truth value. They may serve as a sort of hint for someone with a new interest in the existential truth, but quickly can turn to the opposite of a sort of deception. Moving away from suffering is moving away from existential falsity, but there is no moving directly toward the existential truth. What you really are isn't an appearance, but rather, is eternal, indivisible, indestructible, and never appears to you. Agreed!
You can't yes. But sometime, you tend to notice the way consciousness creates. For an example, when I noticed that truth that when the chasing stops, outer changes too.
It's a valid pattern. One of very many that can be noticed. But not every pattern always holds or manifests in the same way each time it appears. And none of these patterns apply to the notion of unconditional peace. |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 7, 2021 21:36:15 GMT
The belief that one thing that happens in experience, is 're-arranging' what will subsequently happen in experience, indicates you are assigning causality to appearances within the dream. That is something that needs to be seen through if your intent is towards clarity/Truth.
This means you haven't seen yet. Rather than admitting the truth you are convincing me other way around. It's the un-enlightened view, the in the dream/aslseep view, that sees stuff happening in experience to be 'actually causing/catalyzing' other stuff. It's the "transcendent" view that sees through that.
You are mistaking your 'in the dream' view of things, for Truth. Truth lies outside of appearances....beyond all perceivables.
& again, it's fine to see correlations between dream happenings....there is an experience of this-leading-to-that, that cannot be, nor does it need to be, denied. But, when you suggest that one dream happening is 'actually causing' another, that's where you go wrong.
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Post by Gopal on Feb 8, 2021 12:55:17 GMT
Reading the conclusion from the appearance is not what I am talking about.Have you ever met something in which you are not searching anything, but still you would see something clearly like when the chasing stops, you might not be expecting the outer world changes. But when it changes, you will observe it without having any intention behind it, Do you see what I am talking about? Yes, and the best example I can think of this is learning the secrets to seducing women when I was a young man.  Oh you know the secret? did you succeed? I tried it too! But there are some issues while I can't perfectly imagine their faces:D |
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Post by Gopal on Feb 8, 2021 12:58:27 GMT
Agreed!
You can't yes. But sometime, you tend to notice the way consciousness creates. For an example, when I noticed that truth that when the chasing stops, outer changes too.
It's a valid pattern. One of very many that can be noticed. But not every pattern always holds or manifests in the same way each time it appears. And none of these patterns apply to the notion of unconditional peace. you got me correctly! Yes, very valid pattern. But the thing I am pointing at here is, not analyzing the experience and concluding out of it. If I were to do, then searching or analyzing will create the answer and this answer is obviously wrong since it is made by looking at appearances. Instead I am talking about the accidentally noticing which never goes wrong. The time you would not try to create the answer or searching, it happens by itself, clear seeing! or noticing! |
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Post by Gopal on Feb 8, 2021 12:59:28 GMT
This means you haven't seen yet. Rather than admitting the truth you are convincing me other way around. It's the un-enlightened view, the in the dream/aslseep view, that sees stuff happening in experience to be 'actually causing/catalyzing' other stuff. It's the "transcendent" view that sees through that.
You are mistaking your 'in the dream' view of things, for Truth. Truth lies outside of appearances....beyond all perceivables.
& again, it's fine to see correlations between dream happenings....there is an experience of this-leading-to-that, that cannot be, nor does it need to be, denied. But, when you suggest that one dream happening is 'actually causing' another, that's where you go wrong.
I am saying you haven't seen clearly! This clear seeing is not in your hand! |
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Post by muttley on Feb 8, 2021 14:18:29 GMT
Yes, and the best example I can think of this is learning the secrets to seducing women when I was a young man. Oh you know the secret? did you succeed? I tried it too! But there are some issues while I can't perfectly imagine their faces:D  |
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