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Post by Gopal on Feb 5, 2021 15:52:01 GMT
Nope, Forum experience is part of your life experience. Your experience is reflecting here. If you don't have the freedom speech in forum, then you don't have the freedom too! It matters a lot!
I don't say that.
Of course, yes, forum experience is indeed part of life experience. And my wariness relative to the idea of completely abandoning the Gab forum, is indeed, also part and parcel of life experience.
What you seem to be saying is that 'being free,' from the dream (SR/wakefulness), means a complete absence of wariness, scepticism. You are wrong.
I am feeling the niggle to create a 'what is freedom' thread.
As I said earlier, our differences are far more fundamental than just a disagreement about creation. Clearly we aren't even on the same page as to what 'freedom' references.
In a nutshell, I am talking "Truth", whereas you are talking "in the dream."
Yes, experience does change following SR. The end of possibly experiencing a sense of wariness when it comes to something like abandoning an old forum, of weighing pros and cons, not one of them.
You left the forum and here rubber met the road, that's what I am seeing! Look like your admin post seems to be a sovereign for you, eh? That's not what freedom is, Once you are free, you can't suffer afterwards. It look like ZD says he knows self-hood is illusion but he gets angry. |
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Post by Gopal on Feb 5, 2021 15:54:38 GMT
I know that you would say this,that's the reason, I am writing the following line So, Consciousness has a plan/intent and that plan/intent is 'automatic'? I don't know what that means. I am exactly the opposite. Perception automatically arises without having the one who is intending. Remember, When you sense somebody is doing something wrong then your consciousness is creating the angry thoughts. So it's creating the dream from within the dream. |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 5, 2021 20:20:34 GMT
Of course, yes, forum experience is indeed part of life experience. And my wariness relative to the idea of completely abandoning the Gab forum, is indeed, also part and parcel of life experience.
What you seem to be saying is that 'being free,' from the dream (SR/wakefulness), means a complete absence of wariness, scepticism. You are wrong.
I am feeling the niggle to create a 'what is freedom' thread.
As I said earlier, our differences are far more fundamental than just a disagreement about creation. Clearly we aren't even on the same page as to what 'freedom' references.
In a nutshell, I am talking "Truth", whereas you are talking "in the dream."
Yes, experience does change following SR. The end of possibly experiencing a sense of wariness when it comes to something like abandoning an old forum, of weighing pros and cons, not one of them.
that's what I am seeing! Look like your admin post seems to be a sovereign for you, eh? That's not what freedom is, Once you are free, you can't suffer afterwards. It look like ZD says he knows self-hood is illusion but he gets angry. I left 'what' forum?
Do you really see me "suffering" here?
Being free is not at odds with weighing pros and cons of moving to a new forum. That's all I was doing. I'm still here, so obviously I'm willing to roll the dice & see what happens.
Frustration can still arise without freedom going out the window. ZD may simply be using the term "anger" to denote a sense of irritation/frustration. Has he ever specifically shared a post where he denoted himself to still experience 'blameful anger'?
"Blameful anger," specifically, no longer arises when there is liberation from the dream because the idea that someone actually holds responsibility, gets seen through. Blameful anger indicates identification with an SVP....delusion. The absence of the SVP means there is no identification with appearances, thus, emotional discord, should it arise, only goes so deep. And absent identification, if it arises, it arises and then easily falls.
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Post by Figgles on Feb 5, 2021 20:24:04 GMT
So, Consciousness has a plan/intent and that plan/intent is 'automatic'? I don't know what that means. Perception automatically arises without having the one who is intending. Remember, When you sense somebody is doing something wrong then your consciousness is creating the angry thoughts. So it's creating the dream from within the dream. Gopal: "Consciousness is creating the story to make you feel in a certain way."
Doesn't sound there as though you are 'exactly the opposite.'
In saying Consciousness is creating the story TO make you feel a certain way, you indicate that Consciousness 'has a plan/intent.'
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Post by Gopal on Feb 7, 2021 17:45:27 GMT
You left the forum and here rubber met the road, that's what I am seeing! Look like your admin post seems to be a sovereign for you, eh? That's not what freedom is, Once you are free, you can't suffer afterwards. It look like ZD says he knows self-hood is illusion but he gets angry. I left 'what' forum?
Do you really see me "suffering" here?
Being free is not at odds with weighing pros and cons of moving to a new forum. That's all I was doing. I'm still here, so obviously I'm willing to roll the dice & see what happens.
Frustration can still arise without freedom going out the window. ZD may simply be using the term "anger" to denote a sense of irritation/frustration. Has he ever specifically shared a post where he denoted himself to still experience 'blameful anger'?
"Blameful anger," specifically, no longer arises when there is liberation from the dream because the idea that someone actually holds responsibility, gets seen through. Blameful anger indicates identification with an SVP....delusion. The absence of the SVP means there is no identification with appearances, thus, emotional discord, should it arise, only goes so deep. And absent identification, if it arises, it arises and then easily falls.
You can't survive the heated argument(If there is a heated argument, then you are creating that, please don't forget that), I am yourself as pretty sensitivity. You are not walking according to your talk.
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Post by Gopal on Feb 7, 2021 17:46:35 GMT
I am exactly the opposite. Perception automatically arises without having the one who is intending. Remember, When you sense somebody is doing something wrong then your consciousness is creating the angry thoughts. So it's creating the dream from within the dream. Gopal: "Consciousness is creating the story to make you feel in a certain way."
Doesn't sound there as though you are 'exactly the opposite.'
In saying Consciousness is creating the story TO make you feel a certain way, you indicate that Consciousness 'has a plan/intent.'
Okay, I will re-word it differently
something is arising out of nothing to make you feel in a certain way? Does it make sense? Imagine the happy story and unhappy story.
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Post by Figgles on Feb 7, 2021 22:06:56 GMT
I left 'what' forum?
Do you really see me "suffering" here?
Being free is not at odds with weighing pros and cons of moving to a new forum. That's all I was doing. I'm still here, so obviously I'm willing to roll the dice & see what happens.
Frustration can still arise without freedom going out the window. ZD may simply be using the term "anger" to denote a sense of irritation/frustration. Has he ever specifically shared a post where he denoted himself to still experience 'blameful anger'?
"Blameful anger," specifically, no longer arises when there is liberation from the dream because the idea that someone actually holds responsibility, gets seen through. Blameful anger indicates identification with an SVP....delusion. The absence of the SVP means there is no identification with appearances, thus, emotional discord, should it arise, only goes so deep. And absent identification, if it arises, it arises and then easily falls.
You can't survive the heated argument(If there is a heated argument, then you are creating that, please don't forget that), I am yourself as pretty sensitivity. You are not walking according to your talk.
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Post by Figgles on Feb 7, 2021 22:09:54 GMT
Gopal: "Consciousness is creating the story to make you feel in a certain way."
Doesn't sound there as though you are 'exactly the opposite.'
In saying Consciousness is creating the story TO make you feel a certain way, you indicate that Consciousness 'has a plan/intent.'
Okay, I will re-word it differently
something is arising out of nothing to make you feel in a certain way? Does it make sense? Imagine the happy story and unhappy story.
is the bit that seems to denote some kind of 'intent' behind the story. |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 7, 2021 22:26:10 GMT
Of course, yes, forum experience is indeed part of life experience. And my wariness relative to the idea of completely abandoning the Gab forum, is indeed, also part and parcel of life experience.
What you seem to be saying is that 'being free,' from the dream (SR/wakefulness), means a complete absence of wariness, scepticism. You are wrong.
I am feeling the niggle to create a 'what is freedom' thread.
As I said earlier, our differences are far more fundamental than just a disagreement about creation. Clearly we aren't even on the same page as to what 'freedom' references.
In a nutshell, I am talking "Truth", whereas you are talking "in the dream."
Yes, experience does change following SR. The end of possibly experiencing a sense of wariness when it comes to something like abandoning an old forum, of weighing pros and cons, not one of them.
Look like your admin post seems to be a sovereign for you, eh? That's not what freedom is, Once you are free, you can't suffer afterwards. It look like ZD says he knows self-hood is illusion but he gets angry. You didn't answer my question. What forum? |
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Post by Gopal on Feb 8, 2021 12:53:29 GMT
Okay, I will re-word it differently
something is arising out of nothing to make you feel in a certain way? Does it make sense? Imagine the happy story and unhappy story.
is the bit that seems to denote some kind of 'intent' behind the story. When you move between happy and unhappy, have you ever watched how the story flows accordingly? The story continue to arises out of nothing. It just creates happy and unhappy rollercoaster to balance the life. Story is automatic! |
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Post by Gopal on Feb 8, 2021 12:54:03 GMT
You left the forum and here rubber met the road, that's what I am seeing! Look like your admin post seems to be a sovereign for you, eh? That's not what freedom is, Once you are free, you can't suffer afterwards. It look like ZD says he knows self-hood is illusion but he gets angry. You didn't answer my question. What forum? when you come to this forum from gab you started finding problem with rowan. |
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Post by Figgles on Feb 8, 2021 17:51:08 GMT
You didn't answer my question. What forum? when you come to this forum from gab you started finding problem with rowan. You clearly weren't paying attention then over on Gab. The debate with Rowan over Covid started over there a ways back. He got angry over there and left and then came back...I think that actually happened a few times and then he showed up over here, and resumed the debate.
I assure you, I'm not losing any sleep over Rowan's comings and goings. I suspect at some point he will make a return to either forum, and I will welcome him if/when he does.
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